teresaman's profile thumbnail
Interesting! I haven't heard of the proposed design - and I think in this particular case I, as a designer, care less about how it looks but more so what the symbol of pride represents. I don't agree with the mentioning of the design "violating the first rule of flag design" because I think that sentiment reflects the crux of what the community has been fighting for — as an identity that is not apart from the heterosexual cisgender norm but as the "norm" itself because, after all, what is the norm? What IS "flag design" supposed to be, and why does it matter?PS. I've also edited your post title to include "proposed" as the design is not official, to make this more clear! Hope that's ok.
chelseamarti's profile thumbnail
Cool with me @teresaman. Thanks for clarifying.
rchlchang's profile thumbnail
Quoting "official" flag rules reeks of elitism; why would (and should) a marginalized community care about "following rules." And to say "...more colors...results in a weaker overall symbol that arguable promotes factionalism rather than solidarity" completely ignores the intersectionality of identity. This really exemplifies why I never read mainstream design criticism: obsessed with modernism and rules in an attempt to be seen as less of an art and ignorant of context. This is a (imo improved) flag that was made in response to the one in the Quartz article: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/queer-pride-black-power-fist-art-instagram
chelseamarti's profile thumbnail
Ahhh, I like that revised, proposed version too! Good add. The intersectionality of identity is a great point. A human can easily be 2-3+ items from the flag! We often forget that the realities of our lives are never usually so cut and dry.
deirdresm's profile thumbnail
As someone who avidly follows the reddit vexillology sub discussions (but almost never comments), I see the points, but there's no easy solution here given the number of communities represented on this flag.I actually like the new design because it tries to include everyone and, in particular, it honors trans and gender non-conforming BIPoC who started so many of the queer movements we take for granted.For those who don't know, as an example, Roland Emmerich's 2015 movie Stonewall…doesn't feature the people who were primary actors. They are literally not in the movie.Also noteworthy reading is Ctein's comment about earlier movements in this post on science fiction writer John Scalzi's blog (at the very end of the comments):https://whatever.scalzi.com/2020/06/11/generation-x-and-trans-lives/
chelseamarti's profile thumbnail
Love your input. Did you watch Disclosure last night? I did. As a card carrying member of the LGBTQ+ myself, it's still a super worthy endeavor for ALL of us to remember who trailblazed at Stonewall. In fact one of my goals for this group is to try to find ways we can help ensure LGBTQ+ tech is more inclusive, and reach out to invite BIPOC in tech to join us here. We all know as an industry we have to do better but I want to be a part of the solution!
AutumnGarnet's profile thumbnail
I don't think it necessarily needs to _replace_ the existing pride flag, but it's definitely a wonderful supplement and one I wholeheartedly support! After all, we don't have pride flags with pink stripes, so even the classic, consensus flag has evolved in due time.
amandajude's profile thumbnail
Is it weirdly picky that I wish the “arrow” part was on the right side, not the left? Feels more dynamic that way and less like a state flag